Destiny and free will;
[4:53] Razgriz Makarov: Isn't destiny solid? Everything happens for a reason
[4:54] Razor Indigo: happening for a reason does not mean everything happens as it should, otherwise there would be no room for us to make choices.
[4:55] Razor Indigo: one day I asked a rabbi how that worked that we had freedom of choice and also predestination.
[4:55] Razgriz Makarov: Don't the choices we make eventually bring us to the same goal through a different route?
[4:55] Razgriz Makarov: I mean there IS a master plan at work, that much I've made sure
[4:55] Razor Indigo: he said it is very simple.. suppose you have a child who loves ice cream but hates pickles.
[4:56] Razor Indigo: you put out 2 plates, one is pickles, the other a favorite ice cream..
[4:56] Razor Indigo: you know what she will chose, but she has the choice either way.
[4:56] Razor Indigo: we are like that.
[4:57] Razor Indigo: visions give us information to be able to shift from out normal dislikes.
[4:58] Razor Indigo: if someone says in our vision, that the pickles though not tasty will give us magical powers, we might believe the vision and eat the pickle instead.
[4:58] Razor Indigo: or at least try the things.
[5:00] Razgriz Makarov: Yes, but what IS this thing that calls our hearts beyond who we are?
[5:00] Razgriz Makarov: Has to be a plan
[5:00] Razor Indigo: I hope so.
right and wrong and opposing philosophies:
Razor Indigo: In general if I did not think you were a nice person you would never have gotten to be here with me.
[9:58] Razgriz Makarov: I'm war incarnate... How nice can that be?
[9:59] Razor Indigo: War is not evil there are reasons for war. the evil is in the acts done during war.
[10:00] Razor Indigo: War is merely people who need change against people who need no changes.
[10:02] Razgriz Makarov: I was always told I'm a being of light, now I feel right in the middle
[10:06] Razor Indigo: before I answer that I need to ask you a question.
[10:07] Razor Indigo: is the world absolute? Is there only good and evil, light and dark, right and wring? or are there levels of each?
[10:08] Razgriz Makarov: Hell if I know anymore. I used to be an extremist. Either total light, or total darkness
[10:08] Razor Indigo: Let me ask this then...
[10:09] Razor Indigo whispers: in your country, there are those who worship the old ways. they beleive things as they were are right.
[10:09] Razgriz Makarov: Yes
[10:09] Razor Indigo: Also there you find people with a belief that the religion hampers people and there should be no religion.
[10:10] Razor Indigo: The religious cite morals and right and wrong as concepts they teach and help develop.
[10:10] Razor Indigo: the seculars cite violence and close mindedness as reasons for no religion.
[10:11] Razor Indigo: a faith healer uses energy they generate through faith and that the faithful generate.
[10:11] Razor Indigo: a secular healer uses science for healing
[10:12] Razor Indigo: are the healings from either of them less meaningful because the other group does not believe?
[10:12] Razor Indigo: both are effective to a point.
[10:12] Razor Indigo: both are separate and different
[10:13] Razor Indigo: both can work well together or against each other.
[10:13] Razor Indigo: right?
[10:13] Razgriz Makarov: Right
[10:13] Razor Indigo: so which one is the right one?
[10:13] Razor Indigo: which one is wrong?
[10:14] Razgriz Makarov: None is wrong, they're simply two different methods to heal
[10:14] Razgriz Makarov: What happens when you heal someone, while at the same time enjoying their suffering?
[10:15] Razor Indigo: If one could be quantified as a blue beam of light for science, and the other a green beam of light for religious, which has more light?
[10:16] Razor Indigo: Raz, it is human nature to want to hurt those who hurt you.
[10:16] Razgriz Makarov: They light up just the same
[10:16] Razor Indigo: yes. so someone who is light is an incomplete description.
[10:16] Razor Indigo: what kind of light are you?
[10:16] Razor Indigo: which colours are brighter within you?
[10:17] Razor Indigo: and whose point of view can you see your light?
[10:17] Razgriz Makarov: White is bright, right now red is brighter
